Summary

In this episode Sasha shares a powerful conversation that covers a lot of ground surrounding not just making confident decisions but all the moving pieces that come behind the act of making decisions. Marin shares how decisions don’t have to be permanent and how important it is to trust the ride that comes along with making a decision. The conversation even digs a little into selfcare, boundaries, the difference between guilt and shame, and how we can easily justify things in our minds to try and make them worthwhile when they’re actually not. Come prepared with a notebook and pen because this episode is sure to leave you with some takeaways to think on.

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Transcription

Sasha Star Robertson 0:00
Hello Sisters and welcome back to another episode of the intentional abundant life podcast. I’m your host, Sasha Starr Robertson, and today we are back with another guest, Marin Laukka. She is a decision coach and speaker with a master’s degree in positive developmental psychology and certifications in life coaching and yoga. She is the business owner of Yes And where she passionately supports women to clarify what they want in life and strengthen self-trust so they can make more competent expansive decisions. She is also the number one new release author of Ready Enough, your seven-step guide for life’s hardest decisions. And you are actually able to read chapter one on her website, which we will drop information about in the show notes. Thank you so much for joining us today. Marin. Do you want to add any more introduction to that?

Marin Laukka 0:58
Well, thank you so much for having me. It’s always a treat to hear your bio read back to you. And I guess let’s add some humaneness in that too beyond the resume. So I’m sitting in Minnesota. I’ve been here for much of my adult life. So we took a trip to Montana for a year last year, which was gorgeous to spend some time in the mountains. So I’m definitely a mountain girl. And just to that bio is nice and clean and sounds like I have it all figured out. But it’s definitely been a windy path like I’ve experienced for many entrepreneurs. So that’s just to know, give that context that it’s not that I had this all figured out from day one. But I am very happy where things have landed. And yeah, it feels really good to stand firm in this decision arena. It’s been really empowering for myself and my clients. So that’s… I’m glad I’m here.

Sasha Star Robertson 1:49
I love that. So I’m originally from the Midwest from Michigan. But Alaska girl through and through. I’ve been here more than half my life now. But the Midwest does certainly have a special place in my heart for sure.

Marin Laukka 2:03
Upper Michigan or lower Michigan?

Sasha Star Robertson 2:05
Lower, lower. I’m a troll.

Marin Laukka 2:07
Okay, I have a lot of family in Upper Michigan.

Sasha Star Robertson 2:09
Awesome! So, I love that you talk about like, making confident, expansive decisions like… So as an intentional living coach, right. I think it’s very similar like… I’m all about, let’s be intentional with our purposes and our priorities and actually pursue something. But in order to do so, you have to be decisive. You have to make decisions, and they have to be like really wise yeses and discerning nos, and so, like how does that correlate in your business and your coaching and your life? In terms of like having these confident decisions?

Marin Laukka 2:48
I think something maybe all of us assumes when we hear confident decisions, and it’s something I see come up and still comes up in my group coaching calls in one on one all the time is this belief that decisions have to be permanent. I think that’s oftentimes one of the reasons we don’t make decisions is because it’s so overwhelming. There’s so much pressure if we think this is going to be the only one. And that shows up with big things like choosing a career but also I’ve heard clients talk about it with like, I just couldn’t order a couch because I thought this was going to be the only couch I was ever going to own in my living room. And I wasn’t sure that that was gonna be the style that I wanted forever.

Marin Laukka 3:23
It paralyzes us from making a confident decision because it feels like it’s a forever decision. And so to your point of helping people to make these decisions, it’s plural decisions over time, and that’s why the seventh step in my framework, to give that away, is to begin again, it’s to go through the process again and again and again. Because part of making competent decisions is just flexing that muscle of making a decision, moving forward with it, learning, and then potentially re-deciding, and slightly shifting our direction or continuing forward depending on the other side. But we won’t know the other side until we make a decision and follow through with it.

Sasha Star Robertson 3:59
Yes, I’m like yes and amen! I completely agree with that. Like, there are so many decisions that I’ve made that have had like pivots and shifts and I think it’s really important that you know, sometimes we make a decision and we think if it doesn’t work out, we’ve got to like burn the whole thing down, you know, and start over but I’ve made a lot of decisions in my life that’s like, oh, actually, we’re just going to take you know one step to the left and then keep going. It’s funny though, maybe you’ve learned about the psychology behind this but I’m the kind of person I never thought about it till we were having this discussion, of course, but I’m the kind of person any big life decisions like adopting and buying a house or like, you know, going on a trip somewhere last minute like big decisions are not a concern of mine. Like I can make these big life decisions and just like, have faith and trust and see what’s going to happen.

Sasha Star Robertson 4:52
And whether it’s good or it’s bad, it’s always a maybe, for me, but looking at a dinner menu and deciding what I’m going to order for dinner at the restaurant. Like I’m gonna have to commit to that. What if I don’t like it? What if it’s not really the flavor I wanted this evening? You know, and so I love places that are like Tapas Restaurants that, where they have just like, you know, you can order four or five things and it’s just like a little kind of sample of everything like that is my favorite because it eliminates that need for making a food decision.

Marin Laukka 5:22
Yeah, you know, what comes up for me when you’re saying that, and again, this is so common with my clients, and myself when I reflect on my own decision-making process. I think one thing I see is the need or the desire for control and certainty. And with big decisions. I think sometimes there’s just this acceptance that we don’t have control and certainty, and so maybe it’s easier to step into that place of faith and trust because What other choice do we have? Right? Like we don’t know how this adoption is gonna go or how this homeownership journey is going to be because it’s just almost too big to comprehend.

Marin Laukka 5:57
But a dinner menu, there is this perceived sense of control. Like if I think about it, enough, I think I would pick the perfect dish that would make me happiest and fill my belly. And then we can take a step back from that and say, Okay, is it you know, even just identifying, I think I’m reaching for control and certainty here. That’s a big step just to identify and also to say, is that true? Like, do I actually have control and certainty in the situation because more often than not in my experience, there is hardly ever control uncertainty. Sometimes perceived control and certainty has its place to like help us not go into fight or flight all the time. But just to be like, You know what, I don’t have control over it. Even the dinner that comes out it could be made in a totally different way. And so let’s just take my best guess, make a decision and move on.

Sasha Star Robertson 6:42
Yeah, yeah. Even the cook could be off that day. And something that I’ve, I’ve loved five times before when I went there might be you know, and so that’s very powerful. So thank you for bringing that up about control and certainty and like, is it really? Do we, like… What am I reaching for here? And what is the truth in this? Super powerful questions to be asking in those situations, and I just love that and it makes me think of like, all kinds of decisions in motherhood and just life and living and how we’re engaging and relating to other human beings. And so I can think about it in a very, using one of your words, in a very expansive way. In terms of what does this mean and in terms of control and certainty?

Sasha Star Robertson 7:30
One of the things that I know we had talked about before jumping on today is, I think, somewhat related to this in terms of like, to me, it’s related to our life purposes, almost like what are we doing? What are we pursuing, like what is our purpose and we were talking about some of the things that you’re excited about. Or you’re feeling called to that you’re really like, there your greatest joys could truly be where your area of greatest impact is to. So Marin, do you want to touch base on that and kind of what you had brought up, what you’re seeing amongst people that you work with?

Marin Laukka 8:11
Yeah, I’ve both personally and professionally have seen and I feel like I’m continually unlocking layers of this, and definitely bringing it into conversations because I by no means think I have the answer to this question. But I think it’s an important question to ask, nonetheless. And so I’m excited to dive into this. What I’ve been seeing is and feeling is I’ve termed it privilege guilt, but I think we can take it in a few different directions. But this question, especially from individuals who, quote-unquote have it all, they have the for sure the basics, but potentially like all the boxes are checked, the relationship the house, the job, the money, the basics and more are there, and then this pressure and this almost lack of permission to do things that bring them joy?

Marin Laukka 9:04
Again, I associate it with guilt is what I see it, what I’ve been seeing it associated with but a lot of emotions, and a lot of experiences can coincide with this, but I find it very fascinating, very interesting, and very important to acknowledge and what I brought up on my YouTube channel recently, I was reading Brene Brown’s recent book that talks all about emotions and her definition the exploration of guilt defines guilt as a catalyst for change. So unlike shame, which they’re similar emotions, cousin emotions, shame we don’t necessarily change after feeling it we often hide and go in and don’t do a whole lot with that emotion. Maybe it’s just very uncomfortable. Guilt, on the other hand, when we really look at it, guilt is telling us that there’s something here to shift. And so bringing this all together in this conversation, noticing my clients and myself if we’re feeling guilty for pursuing joy, let’s just hone in on that aspect of it pursuing what lights us up what brings us joy, and some words associated with that could be well, it’s selfish or who am I to do this? I am seeing needs in my community and shouldn’t I be putting all of my resources or all of my finances or all of my energy into that type of service, but actually, that’s building resentment behind the scenes and depleting my cup.

Marin Laukka 8:20
And so these feelings arise. Look at it or the invitation is to look at it when if you feel supported to do so, and say, Okay, if this is a guilt feeling that I’m feeling, what is it that I want, or I’m wanting or I’m being prompted to shift, again that catalyst for change? And when I did this exercise, personally, I was very surprised to find the shift was to actually step more into my joy and more into my interest and my passions. And that is the biggest way that I can serve the community and the needs that I’m seeing. And by no means am I saying I have it all figured out and I never have to check in with that again. But it’s giving myself permission to not hide until I have some huge world peace issue figured out in my own office in my own room. It’s to say use what’s bringing you joy and trust that that is leading you toward your greatest impact.

Marin Laukka 11:16
And I have been guiding my clients to do the same when this comes up for them to ask you know is it first is it guilt that’s being felt or what is the fear? What are the I call them Gremlins in the coaching space, what are the Gremlins that are here? Let’s look at them. Let’s befriend them a little bit and hear what they have to say. And potentially be really surprised that it’s not… It’s not telling you to go you know, sell all your things and serve in this way that you think should happen but rather continuing to follow your joy and see that see the signs and the data on the other side. Check-in. But oftentimes that does cause for the greatest service and the greatest alignment with the values that they’re wanting to enact anyway.

Sasha Star Robertson 11:59
Yeah. I agree so much with this. And I was sharing with you before we actually hit record. This was a conversation I just had a couple of days ago. And it’s something that’s been coming up a lot for me and I think the best way to share is to share like a personal story. And so I have my business, Intentional Abundance Co, where I’m a coach. I have a planner like similar business structure to yours. I have online courses and things like that a podcast and then I also have an Airbnb business that my husband and I have been running for the last four and a half years and I will have somebody book my Airbnb downstairs and it will require me to take 30 minutes to an hour to go down there. Change the sheets the towels, vacuum, wipe everything down and make it a space that can earn anywhere between you know two and $700 for a couple of nights to a week, just by me going down there and doing that up to an hour of work. But my passion isn’t in that anymore. I’m so tired of cleaning the exact same space in the exact same way for the last four and a half years. I’m just burnt out on it. It does not bring me joy. It is not a space of happiness and it doesn’t light me up. It dims my flame, truly.

Sasha Star Robertson 13:21
But in my business. I have a coaching special going on right now where I will coach clients for like 12 weeks 12 hours of my time for what I could make almost in just going down there and cleaning Airbnb obviously it’s different, right, I’ve got the space, the equity, you know in the home to be able to do that. But I will coach clients for 12 weeks for almost that same income window. And in addition to that, I will spend hours every week on my podcast, creating content for social media, engaging with potential clients, adding value to my community, and so many other things 12 hours a day and virtually make no money in the process of doing that because it doesn’t make me, like because this lights me up it brings me joy like, it is my area where I feel great in pursuing that. But the Airbnb isn’t that and so that’s my like personal story.

Sasha Star Robertson 14:23
And truly how much your passion matters, because the effort that you put in is completely different in the two scenarios as well, your drive and desire to get up and go pursue that and like wake up in the morning to do these things and serve these customers in this way. And I’m not saying I don’t clean the Airbnb like to the highest standards, but it’s just not a space that brings me joy and I truly believe that the things we’re most excited about and the things that do light us up and bring us joy are really great indicators, not the only indicators right of our calling, and our greater purposes and how we are built to serve those around us whether it’s in our families, in our greater communities to serve our clients, they’re great indicators and this is how we do it.

Sasha Star Robertson 15:13
I think a lot of times like our struggles and the things that we’ve overcome in life, the things that we’ve walked through a lot of our natural giftings come into play with a lot of that too, which you had talked about, but it’s a space where we get to live in joy and abundance and we get to share that joint abundance with others. And so I see it in a way of like I’m living in my gifts and strengths so that others are able to live in their gifts and strengths as well. So when you had brought up this topic, I’m like yes, I feel like you have so much value to add into this space that has already been on my heart to discuss and bring up and share. So that’s my take on it.

Marin Laukka 15:52
A few things standing out and, of course, you take this where he feels good and comfortable to take it because maybe a few like posts for all of us to poke ourselves where to start? I think, one is what I noticed, and this is something in a coaching tool, and I’m sure you use this with your clients too. But for all of us can self-coach a little bit here is, when I heard you talking about the Airbnb business, I noticed that whole introduction was very much that justified language of like, it only takes this amount of time. It’s very little effort. We already have the space it makes this much money. There’s all this justification for why to do that. And to notice ourselves again, self-coaching, where are we justifying? Right whether it’s in a relationship, whether it’s in a job, whether it’s in like I just had a client, we’re talking about a friendship relationship and saying well, you know, it’s not that it’s harming me, you know that they’re good people.

Marin Laukka 16:50
And there’s all this justification to notice, oftentimes when we’re doing that, we’re trying to even out the scale of like something is off, but we’re trying to justify it so it comes back. It comes back to zero. And do we want to do that? Do we want to add in all these justifications? And sometimes, sometimes that is really helpful like I think of when, when we’re in a time where we really do need extra money or extra whatever it is, friendships or something, resources that we might help ourselves justify to be in a space that isn’t fully awesome and content.

Marin Laukka 17:24
And also to notice when we are justifying. If there is the option to change things up a little bit to say, Oh, hold on, why am I spending like a half-hour justifying this to myself or to others instead of just owning it and there’s probably a difference there. The other thing that stood out to me and this is along the same lines as why this has been coming up for me so strongly, this topic is, how you explained the difference in the amount of money specifically from Airbnb versus coaching. And I recently had a powerful coaching call with an individual who calls herself a profit coach. And we had just like an hour and a half together, and I quadrupled my prices after getting off the phone with her. And it feels so right. It feels so aligned. And immediately after raising my prices someone signed on who had been on the fence forever and was so excited to do so. And for me, it was this great reassurance. Like you’re talking about what we show up as joyful and and sharing our gifts and being aligned and feeling good about what we’re doing and all sense of the words right the value exchange and everything. Others feel better as well. And others can sense when we’re depleting ourselves whether it’s of money or of energy or joy or whatever the thing is.

Marin Laukka 18:39
And so also just to notice, like what I heard you say and you enjoy it so much that it’s like it is feeling good, that energy exchange is feeling good. And just to bring into the conversation in here to the poke is, if any of us are saying well I enjoy it, and I’m happy to be here, that language, and I am forgetting the book, but someone does write about. It was a news anchor. And she wrote about her experience being very much underpaid compared to her male counterparts. And she talks a lot about showing up and saying I’m just happy to be here and because of that taking so much less than she deserved in terms of monetary worth and probably other value as well. So to just to check ourselves, especially for women to check ourselves and say am I in the happy to be here state maybe a little bit more than I want to be and how would it look if I showed up and said yeah, I’m happy to be here. I’m really skilled at this. I’m really passionate about it. And I’m gonna ask my worth that feels good as well to have total alignment.

Sasha Star Robertson 19:41
Yeah, I appreciate you saying that because it’s something that’s been on my mind recently, that I’m like, I truly enjoy doing this so much, I could lower my prices just to be able to do it more. And then I was like, no, for that’s taking away from my family, that’s taking away from my like, my personal development, my self time, like my time in the Word with the Lord. And so truly, it’s not worth my time to lower my prices even though it is a, I’m happy to be here, place. There are a lot of other places that I’m very happy to be as well. And so making sure that I’m managing and taking into consideration all of those things when I’m looking at my pricing. I don’t know if that’s something a lot of my listeners, maybe I mean, maybe I have listeners who do have their own businesses. I’m not sure. I’m, I’m wondering where y’all are at. Because I have a significant amount of listeners. But they’re not talking back. They’re not like engaging back so I don’t even know who’s out there like foreign countries.

Sasha Star Robertson 20:44
And you know, I like to think that they’re all my friends here in my neighborhood that I meet regularly with, but they’re not. So I’m hoping that this is a conversation that’s benefiting I mean, I know the conversation is benefiting you all but in terms of like, like you’re saying the value exchange and quadrupling your prices like, I do think it’s really important when we are looking at those you know, putting prices on our time. Our time is worth a lot. I truly believe it is our most valuable asset and a lot of people will budget their money but don’t want to budget their time. And it’s a huge area that I love to focus on and helping people keep their time accounted for in a way that produces the fruits and the results that they’re looking for in life and that they’re pursuing in life and making sure their priorities are in order. So I don’t know if you had anything to say in terms of that. But I’m just like, this is like, where the conversation has gone.

Marin Laukka 21:46
No. Well, I’m glad you brought up like are there business owners I’m sure there are listening to this but also just to expand it beyond the business conversation and the business side of it. This isn’t just about money even, this is about what, this is about owning your worth, your worth and your time your worth in your value. And again, sometimes that shows up monetarily. Sometimes that shows up as drawing boundaries with family members. Sometimes that shows up with volunteering the amount that you said you would volunteer and no more right and back to boundaries of saying you know what, and like you were saying we all have holistic lives. We have these certain pockets of life that sometimes feel like they start to consume everything but it’s not everything.

Marin Laukka 21:46
And to remember that about ourselves to remember that with everyone that we’re interacting with, and to dare to own and be confident in standing for what you know is best for you and seeing and testing being in that experimentation feel of and is what’s best for me also best for everyone else. What if that was true? What would that look like? And sometimes it can be scary to draw those boundaries at first and do that little test. So start small start in somewhere that doesn’t feel like a super high stakes area in your life so you don’t freak yourself out. But try it out and just see and again, it doesn’t be quadrupling your prices and you don’t have to be a business owner to do this. But to have a conversation with your spouse or with someone to say, right this is, I want an hour of time to just sit on YouTube but that’s really what I need this week and what would it look like to own that and to claim that for yourself?

Sasha Star Robertson 23:24
I love that and then, and then keeping the boundary firm, you know allowing yourself the hour, but making sure it’s just an hour and not three. And I love that you said it goes back to the beginning of this conversation what you’re talking about in decision making, it not being permanent being in that seeing and testing phase. And allowing that to pivot allowing that decision to change. Well yes, I did make this decision. And now I’m making this other decision because this is what I’ve learned in the seeing and testing phase. And you had mentioned the best for me and everyone else and I love that you have the yes and like yes, it can be best for me and for everyone else.

Sasha Star Robertson 24:05
And that’s a huge just statement in and of itself because I see so many moms that it’s almost like this privilege guilt like you’re saying and the justification, but I get to be a stay at home. And But my family is the most important to me and like justifying why they’re taking their joys and their passions and their hobbies and their self-care and so many things that are truly helping them be them best their best selves and pushing them aside for the sake of their families or service of others when in reality, making the time and allowing the space and being okay with that decision of Yeah, I’m gonna take some time to take care of me today. And whether that’s reading God’s Word, or taking a bubble bath or spending an hour on YouTube that day like those things are allowed and they are good for us because they’re allowing us to show up as our best selves for us and the best for others. And so I love that you brought that up. Because I think a lot of people have to separate those. It’s either best for me or it’s best for somebody else, but it can be the best for both.

Marin Laukka 25:14
Yeah, two things I’d love to pull out of that. One is I did recently on Instagram an And For Me challenge that kind of came out of thin air for me. But one day I was like, You know what, for the next 30 days, I’m going to do one thing for me and I added the And at the beginning of that And For Me, one because it was on brand. Yes And. And also because it’s this reminder and it was, it communicated really well. The point I was trying to get across for me and my clients of, You’re not neglecting everyone around you. That is not the point. It’s saying And also for me, I’m going to do something in addition to what I’m doing for everyone around me in my community. And that challenge really changed my life. Which feels silly because really what it entailed was pouring myself a cup of tea and just savoring it a little bit more, or buying a shirt that I had had in a shopping cart from like a year ago, or walking outside and just enjoying the sunshine in the middle of the day when I usually wouldn’t. These little tiny things.

Marin Laukka 26:13
But because I prioritize and let myself do something that just, I wanted to do and there was no other reason for doing it. Really helped me to see, made me feel better made, me show up better. I’m a better coach. I’m a better business owner, and I’m a better partner. And it benefited the whole picture. And the experiment and this like 30 Day Challenge. I think a lot of us put ourselves maybe the people who listen to this podcast, put themselves into like 30 Day experiments. I think that goes back to the second part I really wanted to highlight from what you shared, which is make a decision. This rewinds a little bit but make it a decision and stay with it. One step in my decision making framework is to trust the ride that comes directly after you take action.

Marin Laukka 26:57
And that step is a huge step. Because so often, especially if it seems like a scary decision or even like let’s take this And For Me challenge, if you devoted time to do some sort of view and like you said maybe drew a boundary but then retracted it. We do that we retract back to what’s comfortable and safe and normal. And instead, part of this process to really make a decision is to follow through with it and that doesn’t mean follow through with it forever. But to say, You know what, I dedicated this half-hour to take a bath at the end of the day. And following through with this even though at the moment I’m having doubts I’m just going to trust that earlier today it felt right for some reason, and then on the other side have the reflection of, Okay, now that we follow through with it, we’ve made the decision We’ve enacted it and trusted it. How did that feel? And do I want to repeat that type of decision again or make a new one next time. But we really don’t have that type of data unless we follow through and trust and sit in a moment before either changing the decision or maybe we stay with that same decision.

Sasha Star Robertson 28:02
Yeah, that’s super powerful. I love that you had talked about you know, in making a decision. It involves follow through. I remember I made a post a while ago and I cannot like give you the full picture of it. I was just actually looking to see if I can find quickly the graphic that I had made for it. But in and of itself the word decide. It involves making a decision and it involves like, killing off something old. And so to decide we are having to get rid of something old or to start something new and a lot of times it’s both it’s like a replacement of actions or behaviors or thought processes or whatever like we have to decide and follow through and I love that you talked about a process of your decision-making framework is to just trust the ride because that’s a huge part of it. We’re gonna look learn and grow so much on that journey. And I feel like a lot of times throughout life, it really is the journey more so than the destination that grows us informs us and molds us into who we are and kind of who we’re meant to be along that process. And so, absolutely beautiful.

Sasha Star Robertson 28:10
And, and I know for myself, a lot of times when I do like you’re saying, jump into this 30 Day Challenge, for example, trusting the ride is huge because a lot of times for myself and I think a lot of my listeners, like when we make a step forward, deciding to do something, especially when it’s like, bigger than us when it’s Kingdom-minded when we’re talking about stepping into doing something that the Lord is calling us into, a lot of times spiritual warfare can come into play there, and we’re like, whoa, what’s happening? When really it’s like, this is just part of the journey and you have to trust it and like hold on to what the decision that you made and stick to it for a certain amount of time. Just like making a budget. Or whatever else like it takes sometimes three months, six months, maybe even more for this decision to come full circle and big picture and so trusting the ride is just so huge, and I love that that’s part of your seven-step guide.

Marin Laukka 29:11
Yes, yeah, it’s it’s essential. And it’s also I find one of the more difficult ones because it doesn’t require action and sometimes action creates a sense of comfort back to I think, looking back to that sense of control uncertainty. I think we and just our society is very action based. At least in Western culture, a very action based world and so it’s a little uncomfortable sometimes to just sit in a space of I’ve made the decision I’ve taken action or I’ve committed to this thing. Now it’s time to just sit here and you know, do the thing that I said I would do and nothing else for me to do except that and then see on the other side, and it’s not to say we just blindly trust forevermore. Again, I think we’ve reiterated that enough in today’s podcast. It’s not to say that we just trust forever, but it is to say, did we give this a good shot a good chunk of time to settle in to feel out before doing the reflection and then the potential shift?

Sasha Star Robertson 30:10
Yeah, and I think it is. I’m glad that you brought that, the reflection and, because it is so important to take that time to give it the time to trust the ride. But then also take the time to evaluate and say is this really working? What is working? What isn’t working? Because a lot of times it’s not is it working or is it not? It’s what in it is and what in it is not working? And how can we pull parts from this experience like what worked and what didn’t? And then pivot from there instead of just burning the whole thing down like, like you talked about in the beginning. So very, very cool. This was a, definitely a value adding conversation, a powerful conversation. I’m so glad that we had it and we’re going to be sharing it with the listeners here on the intentional abundance life podcast. Marin, if people wanted to connect with you to find your book, to learn more about what it is that you do follow you on Instagram, get into these 30 day challenges. Where can we find you?

Marin Laukka 31:15
Yes, I’m hanging out on social on YouTube and Instagram these days. You can find me on both platforms Yes And by Marin, Y E S A N D B Y M A R I N. And all of that is also on my website. What we said at the beginning you can get chapter one for free on my website. So that’s where I recommend starting. If you’re feeling extra, like zealous about this work, I do host a free group coaching call every month so that someone else will check out all of these as baby steps to get to know a little bit more about me, my approach, and I’d love to welcome you into the community.

Sasha Star Robertson 31:48
Awesome. Very cool. And I will certainly be dropping all of that into the show notes so you guys will have easily clickable links. Marin, any, we talked about so much today, any major takeaways or parting words that you have with our guests before they go off on their day?

Marin Laukka 32:09
Yes. Something I always like to remind my clients, and all of us, myself, you, is with something like a podcast, we hear so much information like you said we covered a lot of ground today. So at the end of this and at the end of anytime we digest a lot of knowledge. Just have a breath and check in with what your takeaway is, I’m talking to the listener. What is your takeaway? What’s resonating with you? What’s firing something up for you? And trust that that’s the one think that you should or want to take away from this conversation and to everything with a grain of salt. I don’t know your life. I don’t know what’s best for you. You know what’s best for you. And so that’s that’s really my whole mission at Yes And is to help people find their authentic voice. So practice it right now; find your authentic voice and that intuition of what today’s conversation meant the most for the listeners.

Sasha Star Robertson 33:00
Awesome. I love that, giving the power back to the individual. Well, thank you so much Marin. I appreciated this and thank you to all right listeners. I hope you all have a very blessed day.